Hello Sam!

[birdseye]

The Rebels have an opening for 2009...

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809090354

[gsugt1]

I am sure he will call them today

[gsuone]

Just how many people on this board think that they are the AD

[KJ Eagle]

Just how many people on this board think that they are the AD


My guess would be about 80% of the total number of members.

[KJ Eagle]

The Rebels have an opening for 2009...

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809090354

You do realize that we already have a I-A game for '09 right?

[garns 4]

and we open up the 2009 season with UALBANY, the school where Garns got his sheepskin.

[Hamfan]

The Rebels have an opening for 2009...

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809090354

Plus, they are complaining about how much money they are paying out......Sam would probably play for much less!

Man, some of those schools are making serious money for being road kill. Central Michigan got 750K to play thUGA. Is that the path to 1-A for GSU? If money is the problem, do we go ahead and move up when the moritorium is lifted even as a 1-A independent and play as many of these games as we can? The move could "pay for itself". Could we as the fanbase stand years of beatings to lay the foundation? How does that effect the morale of your coaching staff, recruiting, etc? Would we still be able to attract up and coming coaches like Hatcher?

Hey, its a source of funds, but at a price.

[garns 4]

Plus, they are complaining about how much money they are paying out......Sam would probably play for much less!

Man, some of those schools are making serious money for being road kill. Central Michigan got 750K to play thUGA. Is that the path to 1-A for GSU? If money is the problem, do we go ahead and move up when the moritorium is lifted even as a 1-A independent and play as many of these games as we can? The move could "pay for itself". Could we as the fanbase stand years of beatings to lay the foundation? How does that effect the morale of your coaching staff, recruiting, etc? Would we still be able to attract up and coming coaches like Hatcher?

Hey, its a source of funds, but at a price.Ham, your post got me thinking, My word, these "big" schools have got the extra "coin" to spend a million dollars on 2 visiting teams. For the haves, I guess thats "chump change".

[Bleedin Eagle Blue]

This quote really makes me wonder about our deal with thUGA.

"USM athletic director Richard Giannini, whose school received $576,000 for playing at Auburn last Saturday under a contract that was signed nine years ago, said he's been hesitant in the last few years to make deals with schools far off in the future for the fear of getting shortchanged."

They got $576,000 out of a deal made 9 years ago but we could only get $240 out of a deal made, what 4-8 years ago. Similar situatin with in state schools but Ole Miss doesn't seat 92,000 like Sanford??????????????

[KJ Eagle]

This quote really makes me wonder about our deal with thUGA.

"USM athletic director Richard Giannini, whose school received $576,000 for playing at Auburn last Saturday under a contract that was signed nine years ago, said he's been hesitant in the last few years to make deals with schools far off in the future for the fear of getting shortchanged."

They got $576,000 out of a deal made 9 years ago but we could only get $240 out of a deal made, what 4-8 years ago. Similar situatin with in state schools but Ole Miss doesn't seat 92,000 like Sanford??????????????

I'm assuming that USM is Southern Miss. If so, it is apples and oranges compared to us. I-A schools get significantly more than I-AA schools do for away games. If they had made the deal 3 years ago instead of 9, they may have gotten $750K for it.

[1peatfor7]

This quote really makes me wonder about our deal with thUGA.

"USM athletic director Richard Giannini, whose school received $576,000 for playing at Auburn last Saturday under a contract that was signed nine years ago, said he's been hesitant in the last few years to make deals with schools far off in the future for the fear of getting shortchanged."

They got $576,000 out of a deal made 9 years ago but we could only get $240 out of a deal made, what 4-8 years ago. Similar situatin with in state schools but Ole Miss doesn't seat 92,000 like Sanford??????????????

Apples to bananas. USM is a FBS school of course they're going to get paid more than any FCS school.

[trusty]

Just how many people on this board think that they are the AD

Do you really have to ask that question?

[Blueblood]

Hatcher has been very clear that he wants no part of two FBS games in one season. It's a mute point.

[KJ Eagle]

Hatcher has been very clear that he wants no part of two FBS games in one season. It's a mute point.

not on here it's not... ;)

People will still play AD and HC and say that we should play two or more every year. We need the money remember? ;)

[Blueblood]

You have to give credit to Hatcher for telling PJ no for a game this year against GT. That was the right call. I'm sure after trailing Austin Peay in the 4th quarter, if given the choice he probably would rather face the Naval Academy Prep School in 2009. :)

[KJ Eagle]

You have to give credit to Hatcher for telling PJ no for a game this year against GT. That was the right call. I'm sure after trailing Austin Peay in the 4th quarter, if given the choice he probably would rather face the Naval Academy Prep School in 2009. :)


I agree with you 100% that it was the right call. The funny thing is that there are many on here that used that "right call" to say that we are now afraid to play games against I-A teams. And that it somehow look like WE didn't want to play GT all these years past and not the otehr way around.

[cmaxwellgsu]

You have to admit, that would be one awesome trip. I can't think of many places I'd rather watch us play than Oxford.

[The_Eagles_Cliff]

and we open up the 2009 season with UALBANY, the school where Garns got his sheepskin.

Aren't they in that weak conference like Central Connecticut?

[The_Eagles_Cliff]

Hatcher has been very clear that he wants no part of two FBS games in one season. It's a mute point.

It's also probably a moot point.;)

[GSUwinsagain]

I would have loved to see Oxford, supposedly GREAT tailgating & game day atmosphere.
I think we could handle Navy and Ole Miss next year. Makes too much sense, so we won't do it.

[The_Hammer]

Forget it. Sam Baker won't do it. Too LOGICAL for him to do it.

[birdseye]

Hatcher has been very clear that he wants no part of two FBS games in one season. It's a mute point.

My original post was based on two thoughts. First, I think we are grossly underpaid for 1-A games as the comparison in the article indicates. Secondly, there has been some discussion that the Navy game in '09 may be moved to '10 to accomodate a scheduling change for the Midshipmen.

[garns 4]

Aren't they in that weak conference like Central Connecticut?Yep, same conferance. Coach Ford has been there for years and years. This year they got 3 GA kids on team. They will have a BIG O-line and try to run it down our throats. They had open week last week, they began season at UMASS and lost I think 28-16. This week they play Hofstra. Coach Sewak told me some yrs ago that we had them set to come play us in AP's sr. year, and right before we were to "print the tickets", they backed out. A few years ago they did travel out and played Montana. I may sit on/in their section(but wearing my old GSU #44 jersey) I wonder if their NEW 10,000 seat Football stadium is completed? UALBANY is a perfect example of a one time large Univ. who never had administation backing to push for sports excellence. Academic excellence yes, sports, no big deal. Sad IMO.

[GIEAGLE]

This quote really makes me wonder about our deal with thUGA.

"USM athletic director Richard Giannini, whose school received $576,000 for playing at Auburn last Saturday under a contract that was signed nine years ago, said he's been hesitant in the last few years to make deals with schools far off in the future for the fear of getting shortchanged."

They got $576,000 out of a deal made 9 years ago but we could only get $240 out of a deal made, what 4-8 years ago. Similar situatin with in state schools but Ole Miss doesn't seat 92,000 like Sanford??????????????Guess we should be glad Georgia Southern got any money to play the Georgia game. With so many "Georgia Southern folks" being so "enamored" of the FBS thing, and the University of Georgia "Dawgs", I'm sorta surprised Georgia Southern didn't have to pay UGA for the "privilege" of being able to allow our football team to play a game against "The Dawgs" on the "hallowed grounds" inside Sanford Stadium. Not a "flame" here, just "reality".

[garns 4]

Yep, same conferance. Coach Ford has been there for years and years. This year they got 3 GA kids on team. They will have a BIG O-line and try to run it down our throats. They had open week last week, they began season at UMASS and lost I think 28-16. This week they play Hofstra. Coach Sewak told me some yrs ago that we had them set to come play us in AP's sr. year, and right before we were to "print the tickets", they backed out. A few years ago they did travel out and played Montana. I may sit on/in their section(but wearing my old GSU #44 jersey) I wonder if their NEW 10,000 seat Football stadium is completed? UALBANY is a perfect example of a one time large Univ. who never had administation backing to push for sports excellence. Academic excellence yes, sports, no big deal. Sad IMO.Just came from their websight, only 1 kid on team from GA, after hofstra, they play Newhampshire, then at Delaware. What a way to start season, UMASS,HOFSTRA,NEWHampshire,Delaware. Then start Conferance play. 1st four games all on road. Dont think they will be overly worried about coming to Paulson. We'll just have to give'em a Southern spanking.

[garns 4]

Just came from their websight, only 1 kid on team from GA, after hofstra, they play Newhampshire, then at Delaware. What a way to start season, UMASS,HOFSTRA,NEWHampshire,Delaware. Then start Conferance play. 1st four games all on road. Dont think they will be overly worried about coming to Paulson. We'll just have to give'em a Southern spanking.MY GOD, I'm talking SMACK to MysELF, time for Garns to hit the hay

[eaglesrthe1]

For the ones that have the "so you think you can be AD", attitude. Well seriously, no I can't. But, let's get real. Sam Baker got schooled, owned, and taken to the woodshed by UGA.

Any one of us could have negotiated a better contract in that particular instance.
I would challenge anyone to produce a lower payout for a FBS-FCS match-up for the 08' season, signed at any time. The fact that it is involving probably one of the top five athletic programs in the country as for as $$$$ is concerned just illustrates the depth of the ineptness in the negotiating skills of the one and only Sam Baker.

[PVE]

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008809090354

If Ole Miss could pay Samford $375K to play in a 60,850 seat stadium, imagine how much thUGA could pay GSU to play in a 92,746 seat stadium!

[KJ Eagle]

For the ones that have the "so you think you can be AD", attitude. Well seriously, no I can't. But, let's get real. Sam Baker got schooled, owned, and taken to the woodshed by UGA.

Any one of us could have negotiated a better contract in that particular instance.
I would challenge anyone to produce a lower payout for a FBS-FCS match-up for the 08' season, signed at any time. The fact that it is involving probably one of the top five athletic programs in the country as for as $$$$ is concerned just illustrates the depth of the ineptness in the negotiating skills of the one and only Sam Baker.

Show me ANYWHERE that uGA Y is paying out any of those large sums of money to I-AA schools. I have read on here a thousand times that WCU is supposedly getting $450K to play 'em. I have also asked many times for those people to prove it, yet no one can. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it, but I have not seen uGA Y pay out anything near those big dollar payouts to I-AA schools. How is that getting taken to the woodshed if they aren't paying anyone a lot of money. And before anyone says "well they paid Central Michigan $750K (or whatever it was). That's apples and oranges. All I-A schools get more than I-AA schools for away games.

I agree that we need to go after the schools that are making larger payouts, but playing uGA Y every four years is more about getting our fans excited about playing the state school than it is about making a killing in the bank. Playing uGA Y, whether you like it or not, generates more excitement and more buzz than playing anyone else would.

[Blueblood]

It's also probably a moot point.;)


As Nenge Mboko (Eddie Murphy), an exchange student from Cameroon, said in Trading Places, "Oh, ho, ho, thank you for correcting my English which stinks!"

[JDC325]

This quote really makes me wonder about our deal with thUGA.

"USM athletic director Richard Giannini, whose school received $576,000 for playing at Auburn last Saturday under a contract that was signed nine years ago, said he's been hesitant in the last few years to make deals with schools far off in the future for the fear of getting shortchanged."

They got $576,000 out of a deal made 9 years ago but we could only get $240 out of a deal made, what 4-8 years ago. Similar situatin with in state schools but Ole Miss doesn't seat 92,000 like Sanford??????????????


Sam's excuse of planning a deal in advance nets less money is not a fact. Plenty of FCS teams made much more for deals done in advance and in some cases multi game contracts. This is one area where there is little room for Sam's Club to defend him. Way to many examples to the contrary.

BTW for those who say Sam did not get taken to the woodshed with uga is kidding themselves. I do not care what other teams are getting from uga it does not matter the point is other schools are paying much more even with travel expenses included. Gardner Webb is getting 40K more from Tech this year.

[1peatfor7]

That quote also makes me wonder the reading comprehension of TSC posters. USM is a FBS team from CUSA. So what they make has no impact on what GSU makes for any FBS game just like CMU's payday has absoulute zero impact on what ABAC North pays WCU, GSU, etc.

[JDC325]

That quote also makes me wonder the reading comprehension of TSC posters. USM is a FBS team from CUSA. So what they make has no impact on what GSU makes for any FBS game just like CMU's payday has absoulute zero impact on what ABAC North pays WCU, GSU, etc.


My opinion comes from schools like YSU getting ADVANCED PLANNED MULTI GAME contracts worth 650K a pop. Oh and BTW FBS Ohio only got 50K more this year to play Ohio State and Troy who WILL have travel expenses is only getting 150K more, which basically minus travel expenses is only about 50K more.

[PVE]

USM is a FBS team from CUSA. So what they make has no impact on what GSU makes for any FBS game just like CMU's payday has absoulute zero impact on what ABAC North pays WCU, GSU, etc.

What other schools get paid indicates what the market can sustain. Do you think U G A Y revenue was less b/c it was GSU they were playing? I don't, but their profit was more b/c they paid us less.

We are 6 time national champs and in-state rivals. If Sam is going to play teams for the money, it better be at least what everybody else is getting.

[1peatfor7]

Yes we are been taken to the woodshed when it comes to payouts, but you can't compare what Troy, MTSU, USM, CMU, etc are getting for games. They are FBS and can/will demand more money.

A relative comparison is to find out with Citadel is getting for the 2 FBS games this year, what crappy state got from LSU, WCU got from FSU, etc.

[KJ Eagle]

My opinion comes from schools like YSU getting ADVANCED PLANNED MULTI GAME contracts worth 650K a pop. Oh and BTW FBS Ohio only got 50K more this year to play Ohio State and Troy who WILL have travel expenses is only getting 150K more, which basically minus travel expenses is only about 50K more.

Your opinion should come from what uGA Y is paying other I-AA schools to come there not what another school pays since we are not playing those other schools. Now, before you say it, I agree that we SHOULD be playing those other schools. That is not the part that I am arguing. What I am arguing is that no one knows that we are getting screwed by uGA Y becuase no one knows what they are paying other I-AA schools. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe uGA Y is just a bunch of cheap bastards and doesn't pay as much as Ohio State for their I-AA games?

[KJ Eagle]

What other schools get paid indicates what the market can sustain. Do you think U G A Y revenue was less b/c it was GSU they were playing? I don't, but their profit was more b/c they paid us less.

We are 6 time national champs and in-state rivals. If Sam is going to play teams for the money, it better be at least what everybody else is getting.

So what is everybody else (I-AA teams) getting from uGA Y?

[gsugt1]

UGA knows our fan base wants to play them. Thye really don't care to play us. They offer us low money. Take it or leave it. Do we say no thanks ? IMO they are in the driving shoes.

[KJ Eagle]

UGA knows our fan base wants to play them. Thye really don't care to play us. They offer us low money. Take it or leave it. Do we say no thanks ? IMO they are in the driving shoes.

what are driving shoes?????? ;)

[2Blue]

UGA knows our fan base wants to play them. Thye really don't care to play us. They offer us low money. Take it or leave it. Do we say no thanks ? IMO they are in the driving shoes.

Offer us low money...I can think of two other words besides no thanks. We should get the going rate, or find another school to play.

[gsugt1]

what are driving shoes?????? ;)

Hell if I know. It has been a wild day. I am doing bad at multi-tasking today. Maybe they are driving the bus :) Of course not the yellow bus. Maybe the short bus .

[GSC75]

Offer us low money...I can think of two other words besides no thanks. We should get the going rate, or find another school to play.

yep, but I betcha 98% of the GSU fans would rather have a chance at beating uga for less money than USCarolina for more..... personally I'd rather beat the gameclucks...but that's jus me.

[kennesaweagle]

yep, but I betcha 98% of the GSU fans would rather have a chance at beating uga for less money than USCarolina for more..... personally I'd rather beat the gameclucks...but that's jus me.

Not this GSU fan. I can't speak for the rest of them. But I don't care if we ever go back to Athens to play them.

I think a game against someone like Clemson or Auburn would be a lot of fun, and just about as easy to get to as Athens.

[JDC325]

Your opinion should come from what uGA Y is paying other I-AA schools to come there not what another school pays since we are not playing those other schools. Now, before you say it, I agree that we SHOULD be playing those other schools. That is not the part that I am arguing. What I am arguing is that no one knows that we are getting screwed by uGA Y becuase no one knows what they are paying other I-AA schools. Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe uGA Y is just a bunch of cheap bastards and doesn't pay as much as Ohio State for their I-AA games?


No my opinion should come from the entire FBS vs. FCS landscape and yes abac norte pups are a bunch of cheap bastards among many other things. I am not going to put the blinders on to make Sam look better. Listen I love GSU so I might be biased but we should be getting more than WCU. I know uga fans could give to craps about our history but to accept the same as WCU who is actually closer is dumb and we are both getting screwed regardless. I think our fan base would be just as excited and travel just as well to Auburn, UF, Alabama, and Clemson just to name some big boys. Not to mention we could probably get 250K from lower tier teams and have an excellent shot to win as well. I have seen the payouts our is below average for a FCS team with our fan base and past.

On a side note anybody got a good recommendation for some good driving shoes mine are a little worn.....

[KJ Eagle]

No my opinion should come from the entire FBS vs. FCS landscape and yes abac norte pups are a bunch of cheap bastards among many other things. I am not going to put the blinders on to make Sam look better. Listen I love GSU so I might be biased but we should be getting more than WCU. I know uga fans could give to craps about our history but to accept the same as WCU who is actually closer is dumb and we are both getting screwed regardless. I think our fan base would be just as excited and travel just as well to Auburn, UF, Alabama, and Clemson just to name some big boys. Not to mention we could probably get 250K from lower tier teams and have an excellent shot to win as well. I have seen the payouts our is below average for a FCS team with our fan base and past.

On a side note anybody got a good recommendation for some good driving shoes mine are a little worn.....


Does it really matter whether you want us to play uGA Y or not? Apparently a lot of others do since we sold out 10,000 seats and had many people clammering for more every time we played them. Just because you could care less does not mean that the fan base as a whole doesn't get excited by the game.

I have been to a lot of the other I-AA and there is nowhere near the same crowd at any of the other games. It is very obvious that there is a larger portion of the fan base that wants to play uGA Y over anyone else. So yeah, it is important to play them and they know it.

I'm all for bashing Sammy about why we are not playing Auburn, Bama, Clemson, FSU, UF and all of the other bigger schools in the southeast. But I don't think he is the issue on the uGA Y payout. Which payouts have you "seen"? Any of the payouts from uGA Y, or just the ones from Ohio St and Michigan that keep getting quoted on here?

[eaglesrthe1]

Show me ANYWHERE that uGA Y is paying out any of those large sums of money to I-AA schools. I have read on here a thousand times that WCU is supposedly getting $450K to play 'em. I have also asked many times for those people to prove it, yet no one can. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it, but I have not seen uGA Y pay out anything near those big dollar payouts to I-AA schools. How is that getting taken to the woodshed if they aren't paying anyone a lot of money. And before anyone says "well they paid Central Michigan $750K (or whatever it was). That's apples and oranges. All I-A schools get more than I-AA schools for away games.

I agree that we need to go after the schools that are making larger payouts, but playing uGA Y every four years is more about getting our fans excited about playing the state school than it is about making a killing in the bank. Playing uGA Y, whether you like it or not, generates more excitement and more buzz than playing anyone else would.

http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2006/09/01/FirstGoal/Trip-To.Athens.Costly.For.W.Kentucky-2567420.shtml

Admit it, with a smile.

[JDC325]

http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2006/09/01/FirstGoal/Trip-To.Athens.Costly.For.W.Kentucky-2567420.shtml

Admit it, with a smile.

Cue..http://buzz.ifas.ufl.edu/489ss.wav

hmmm I guess that settles that.

[Walt3412]

http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2006/09/01/FirstGoal/Trip-To.Athens.Costly.For.W.Kentucky-2567420.shtml

Admit it, with a smile.

This article is about Western Kentucky. KJ mentioned nothing about Western Kentucky but rather Western Carolina. Back to the drawing board.

[eaglesrthe1]

This article is about Western Kentucky. KJ mentioned nothing about Western Kentucky but rather Western Carolina. Back to the drawing board.

The topic of his post was payouts by UGA to IAA schools. An example was WCU.
Read the 1st sentence.

Here, I'll read it for you.


Show me ANYWHERE that uGA Y is paying out any of those large sums of money to I-AA schools.

[The_Eagles_Cliff]

Yep, same conferance. Coach Ford has been there for years and years. This year they got 3 GA kids on team. They will have a BIG O-line and try to run it down our throats. They had open week last week, they began season at UMASS and lost I think 28-16. This week they play Hofstra. Coach Sewak told me some yrs ago that we had them set to come play us in AP's sr. year, and right before we were to "print the tickets", they backed out. A few years ago they did travel out and played Montana. I may sit on/in their section(but wearing my old GSU #44 jersey) I wonder if their NEW 10,000 seat Football stadium is completed? UALBANY is a perfect example of a one time large Univ. who never had administation backing to push for sports excellence. Academic excellence yes, sports, no big deal. Sad IMO.

I should've hit the sarcastic button. My point was that Central Conn beat us at our place so I dont see anything negative about playing anyone. I look forward to when we don't need to worry about certain teams, but we're not there yet.

[Walt3412]

The topic of his post was payouts by UGA to IAA schools. An example was WCU.
Read the 1st sentence.

Here, I'll read it for you.

While WKU was a FCS team, they were on their way to FBS. KJ has been talking about WCU's payout for a long time, and no one has yet to provide anything proving they got $450K.

[Wingspan]

It's not $450K, but comparatively speaking, yes we were a cheap date.

"Western Carolina is getting a $315,000 guarantee, Georgia Southern $260,000 and Appalachian State $325,000."



http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/011106/football_20060111028.shtml

[eaglesrthe1]

While WKU was a FCS team, they were on their way to FBS. KJ has been talking about WCU's payout for a long time, and no one has yet to provide anything proving they got $450K.

I searched for the payout for WCU and couldn't find one. That doesn't disprove it by any means, it just doesn't substantiate it. However, the gist of his post was that since it has already been demonstrated that other FBS programs are handing out payouts far in excess of what GSU got from UGA, he was hanging his hat on the fact that UGA was the difference in those scenarios, not Sam Bakers negotiating tactics. In that UGA doesn't pay out big to any FCS school.

Now, WKU is currently in transition to the FBS, but that process will not be complete until the 09' season. While there was a debate about WKU moving to IA going on at the time that this game was being played, the vote to move to IA had not even take place yet. As far as the UGA-WKU game is concerned, it was a FBS vs FCS game in every sense imaginable. Their transition did not start until the 07' season, they were still members of the Gateway conference and eligible for the IAA playoffs, and like I said they had not even voted to transition yet, much less applied.

The facts are that GSU is a top program in the FCS division, and UGA is a top program in the FBS division. It has already been shown that other FCS programs of GSU's stature are getting much higher payouts from other FBS schools of UGA's stature, and at the same time other FCS schools of GSU's stature are getting much higher payouts from UGA than GSU did.

Many of the subjects that Sam Baker gets criticized on are things that are largely subject to personal opinion stances, so I can understand the support, but this isn't one of those instances. He just flat out dropped the ball on this one.

[garns 4]

I should've hit the sarcastic button. My point was that Central Conn beat us at our place so I dont see anything negative about playing anyone. I look forward to when we don't need to worry about certain teams, but we're not there yet.Cliff, I didnt take it as sarcastic at all, I was just trying to keep our readers up to date on the "Fighting ScoobieDoos" or I mean, the Great Danes of UALBANY, my alma mater. Our 1st victory next season.

[eaglesrthe1]

It's not $450K, but comparatively speaking, yes we were a cheap date.

"Western Carolina is getting a $315,000 guarantee, Georgia Southern $260,000 and Appalachian State $325,000."



http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/011106/football_20060111028.shtml

Not as bad as I had originally thought, but 25% less is substantial, and it illustrates what everyone is talking about.

A better "challenge" so to speak for the Sam Backers would be for one of them to find a lower payout to a FCS team from UGA, since there are numerous examples of the other side of the equation.

[SU DOG]

Don't really know if this is relevent or will help, but it may provide something of interest:

http://data.desmoinesregister.com/results/index.php?BRSR=0&info=ncaapayouts&conference=&school=&payout=&income=&school_link=&sort=payout&desc=desc&sortBy=ORDER+BY+payout+desc

[JDC325]

App State VS LSU 750K (250 was to move the game) so 500K-100K travel = 400K+/-
YSU VS OSU 650K per game / instate / multi year
Chatt VS FSU 460K-100K travel = 360K+/-
TN Martin VS Auburn 450K-100K travel?? = 350K+/-
Cal Poly VS Wisconsin 500K-100K travel = 400K+/-
Citadel VS UF 450K-100K travel =340K+/-
CCU VS Penn State 450K-100K travel =350K+/-
Main VS Iowa 400K-100K travel = 300K+/-
N Ariz VS ASU 375K
Chatt VS OK 475K-100K=375K+/-

We are leaving money on the table.

[eaglesrthe1]

Not as bad as I had originally thought, but 25% less is substantial, and it illustrates what everyone is talking about.

A better "challenge" so to speak for the Sam Backers would be for one of them to find a lower payout to a FCS team from UGA, since there are numerous examples of the other side of the equation.

Hey, I did see one that caught my eye. GT paid JSU 150k to play. Now of course, GT doesn't equal UGA (we're talking money here) nor does JSU equal GSU, but 150k is paltry.

[KJ Eagle]

http://media.www.redandblack.com/media/storage/paper871/news/2006/09/01/FirstGoal/Trip-To.Athens.Costly.For.W.Kentucky-2567420.shtml

Admit it, with a smile.


I'll "admit" a couple things: WCU did get more than us, but nowhere near what everyone was whining about. Considering the fan excitement & support that the game generates, is $55K really a deal breaker? Secondly, the price for WKU is not apples to apples since they are in the transition to I-A. They are getting many more I-A games per year than they used to and are getting more per game than the typical I-AA because of their move up. I'll also "admit" that they still are not paying out the extremely high prices that I said they weren't. Look at the prices that JD quoted, $750, $650, $450, $500, do you see uGA Y's payouts anywhere hear that?

I never said that Sam was doing a great job. But he is not doing as awful a job as some you guys make it out to be.

[birdseye]

Let's see, LSU paid App State $750,000. That's more than we've made on our last three trips to Athens combined.

Boy Howdy.

[eaglesrthe1]

I'll "admit" a couple things: WCU did get more than us, but nowhere near what everyone was whining about. Considering the fan excitement & support that the game generates, is $55K really a deal breaker? Secondly, the price for WKU is not apples to apples since they are in the transition to I-A. They are getting many more I-A games per year than they used to and are getting more per game than the typical I-AA because of their move up. I'll also "admit" that they still are not paying out the extremely high prices that I said they weren't. Look at the prices that JD quoted, $750, $650, $450, $500, do you see uGA Y's payouts anywhere hear that?

I never said that Sam was doing a great job. But he is not doing as awful a job as some you guys make it out to be.


I already said that WKU was not in any way, shape, or form going nor transitioning to IA when they played UGA. They had not announced, nor even voted to go IA at that time, and they got over 50% more than GSU did.

Secondly, WCU cannot be equated to GSU in terms of who they are, nor who they would bring. GSU simply put, is the lowest priced game that UGA has had, and that is shameful. You might say that it's only $55k, but that would only bring GSU to the next lowest value. If it were for value added, it would be higher than WCU or ASU. Sam left a cool $100k on the table, at a minimum.

[GATA ERK]

I already said that WKU was not in any way, shape, or form going nor transitioning to IA when they played UGA. They had not announced, nor even voted to go IA at that time, and they got over 50% more than GSU did.

Secondly, WCU cannot be equated to GSU in terms of who they are, nor who they would bring. GSU simply put, is the lowest priced game that UGA has had, and that is shameful. You might say that it's only $55k, but that would only bring GSU to the next lowest value. If it were for value added, it would be higher than WCU or ASU. Sam left a cool $100k on the table, at a minimum.

I really believe it reflects how lowly Sam Baker thinks of GSU. He doesn't believe we have the capability to transition to FBS so why would he think we are worthy of anything but the lowest possible payout?

In his mind during negotations he is thinking....why would anyone want to play GSU...we are some po-dunk school that is lucky to even get to associate with UGA so I better just take whatever they will offer.....meanwhile Appalachain is cleaning house making $750k Sam doesn't believe in GSU so it is understandable why he would settle for the lowest payout anyone has seen for a FCS against BCS game.

[gudp1]

I'll "admit" a couple things: WCU did get more than us, but nowhere near what everyone was whining about. Considering the fan excitement & support that the game generates, is $55K really a deal breaker? Secondly, the price for WKU is not apples to apples since they are in the transition to I-A. They are getting many more I-A games per year than they used to and are getting more per game than the typical I-AA because of their move up. I'll also "admit" that they still are not paying out the extremely high prices that I said they weren't. Look at the prices that JD quoted, $750, $650, $450, $500, do you see uGA Y's payouts anywhere hear that?

I never said that Sam was doing a great job. But he is not doing as awful a job as some you guys make it out to be.

All that really needs to be said (and this would have saved 5 pages of banter) is that the biggest and most known newspaper in our state called us a " cheap date." it is a shame and disgrace and for this reason alone heads should roll.

when a player made a bonehead play, Coach Russell would say " insert player name here, you can't play enough downs to make up for that play." said player would then take their place on the bench.

that is the kind of PR that GSU cannot play enough downs to make up for and maybe someone should be on the bench.

somebody smarter than me can decide where the problem lies.

[KJ Eagle]

I really believe it reflects how lowly Sam Baker thinks of GSU. He doesn't believe we have the capability to transition to FBS so why would he think we are worthy of anything but the lowest possible payout?

In his mind during negotations he is thinking....why would anyone want to play GSU...we are some po-dunk school that is lucky to even get to associate with UGA so I better just take whatever they will offer.....meanwhile Appalachain is cleaning house making $750k Sam doesn't believe in GSU so it is understandable why he would settle for the lowest payout anyone has seen for a FCS against BCS game.

Thanks Nostradumas for reading his mind for us.

[Walt3412]

All that really needs to be said (and this would have saved 5 pages of banter) is that the biggest and most known newspaper in our state called us a " cheap date." it is a shame and disgrace and for this reason alone heads should roll.

when a player made a bonehead play, Coach Russell would say " insert player name here, you can't play enough downs to make up for that play." said player would then take their place on the bench.

that is the kind of PR that GSU cannot play enough downs to make up for and maybe someone should be on the bench.

somebody smarter than me can decide where the problem lies.

What PR? Nobody outside of this board would even remember a random comment like that.

[KJ Eagle]

Secondly, WCU cannot be equated to GSU in terms of who they are, nor who they would bring.

Do you really think it matters who they play? Sanford will be sold out. And they don't running scale that says number of NC's equals "X" dollars.

[KJ Eagle]

What PR? Nobody outside of this board would even remember a random comment like that.


And no one on here would remember it if it weren't brought back up daily on here... :(

[eaglesrthe1]

Probably even worse is that while UGA is cheap, and GSU even cheaper, isn't this the best... top of the line... king of the hill job that Sam has negotiated for GSU? I mean has he gotten more than $260k from anyone?

That's even worse.

[gudp1]

maybe you or right, or maybe comments we are a cheap date is what lead a national radio personality to equate being an assistant coach at Georgia Southern to being 2nd class. and just thing, all these positive comments about GSU in the same week.

coincidence, i think not.

[eaglesrthe1]

Do you really think it matters who they play? Sanford will be sold out. And they don't running scale that says number of NC's equals "X" dollars.

Justify it however you wish. I think that all the facts have been brought out, so I'm done with this subject.


Here's hoping that GSU lays a whoopin on Northeastern this Saturday.

[KJ Eagle]

Here's hoping that GSU lays a whoopin on Northeastern this Saturday.

At least we can agree on ONE thing

[GATA ERK]

Thanks Nostradumas for reading his mind for us.

Well, unfortunately that is probably how Sam thinks and it doesn't take Nostradamus to figure out Sam is running the program down the tubes.

[KJ Eagle]

I love how Sammy actually gets something that almost everybody on here, and probably 95% of the entire fan base wants...games against the biggest in-state rival, and he gets blasted for it.

Are any of you ever happy with anything?

[Walt3412]

maybe you or right, or maybe comments we are a cheap date is what lead a national radio personality to equate being an assistant coach at Georgia Southern to being 2nd class. and just thing, all these positive comments about GSU in the same week.

coincidence, i think not.

Yeah I'm sure they are related. The media will always look down on FCS teams...I really don't give a crap.

[GATA ERK]

I love how Sammy actually gets something that almost everybody on here, and probably 95% of the entire fan base wants...games against the biggest in-state rival, and he gets blasted for it.

Are any of you ever happy with anything?

I'm not happy with not winning a playoff game in forever and the slow erosion of the program over the past 10 years. I am happy that at least we have Chris Hatcher.....lets hope he doesn't get tired of the incompetent administration and leave in a couple of years.

[gudp1]

I love how Sammy actually gets something that almost everybody on here, and probably 95% of the entire fan base wants...games against the biggest in-state rival, and he gets blasted for it.

Are any of you ever happy with anything?


i think he is being questioned due to the payout. everyone loves the game just like we would love a game against auburn or clemson if the money is right and they will let us have 10,000 seats for our fans.

[KJ Eagle]

I'm not happy with not winning a playoff game in forever .
And that is (mostly) why Sewak was fired and we got into the whole bvg mess that started this.

[KJ Eagle]

i think he is being questioned due to the payout. everyone loves the game just like we would love a game against auburn or clemson if the money is right and they will let us have 10,000 seats for our fans.

Questioned is "what are you doing over there" or "did you know you were speeding". he is getting significantly worse than just "questioned" on here on a daily basis.

[GATA ERK]

And that is (mostly) why Sewak was fired and we got into the whole bvg mess that started this.

Sam fired him and hired BVG....so you are saying he created this mess? Whether or not that is what the masses wanted is irrelevent..he is the AD and is ultimately accountable and has to know when to go with the majority and when to go against it. That is what leadership is all about...having good judgement to make good decisions. Otherwise we could just have a poll for everything and let everything be voted on which would be a disaster.

[KJ Eagle]

Sam fired him and hired BVG....so you are saying he created this mess? Whether or not that is what the masses wanted is irrelevent..he is the AD and is ultimately accountable and has to know when to go with the majority and when to go against it. That is what leadership is all about...having good judgement to make good decisions. Otherwise we could just have a poll for everything and let everything be voted on which would be a disaster.

Yeah because no school has EVER hired or fired a coach because of what the big time boosters think/want, right?

[1peatfor7]

App State VS LSU 750K (250 was to move the game) so 500K-100K travel = 400K+/-
YSU VS OSU 650K per game / instate / multi year
Chatt VS FSU 460K-100K travel = 360K+/-
TN Martin VS Auburn 450K-100K travel?? = 350K+/-
Cal Poly VS Wisconsin 500K-100K travel = 400K+/-
Citadel VS UF 450K-100K travel =340K+/-
CCU VS Penn State 450K-100K travel =350K+/-
Main VS Iowa 400K-100K travel = 300K+/-
N Ariz VS ASU 375K
Chatt VS OK 475K-100K=375K+/-

We are leaving money on the table.

Where are you getting these travel costs? Have you not seen the price of gas lately? There was an article somewhere mentioning how a 800 mile charter flight costs $150K, plus hotel, meals, charter bus, etc.

[oldfart]

I love how Sammy actually gets something that almost everybody on here, and probably 95% of the entire fan base wants...games against the biggest in-state rival, and he gets blasted for it.

Are any of you ever happy with anything?

Yeah, the game is what most of us want, but every 4 years? Maybe 250k is reasonable if the thUGA game were an every year guaranteed kind of thing, but it's not. It's every 4 years that we get an opportunity to play the big boys. 250k is a ridiculous slap in the face when others get more. We're basically thUGA's booty call and Sam's the pimp.

[gsugt1]

Are any of you ever happy with anything?

It appears not. I swear it seems we have a few fans who complain about everything regardless if it's good or bad for the school.

[KJ Eagle]

Yeah, the game is what most of us want, but every 4 years? Maybe 250k is reasonable if the thUGA game were an every year guaranteed kind of thing, but it's not. It's every 4 years that we get an opportunity to play the big boys. 250k is a ridiculous slap in the face when others get more. We're basically thUGA's booty call and Sam's the pimp.


If we played them every year we would have no shot of playing any of the schools that are paying more (not that Sam is getting any of those games, but that is a different argument). $55K is the difference between us and what they are paying WCU. Considering how badly our fans want to play them, I can understand that. Do I like it, no. But I understand it. It's supply and demand. If they didn't know that we wanted the game so badly, we probably would be getting the same amount.

I would love to see us play more games with UF, FSU, AL, Auburn, LSU, who ever, and get the $400 -$600K checks. But Sam isn't getting off his butt and getting any of those games. I can handle a smaller one every four years as long as he gets the others higher. But he's not yet.

[Ralze34]

Does anybody know how much we got from Colorado State last year, or what we are getting from Navy? If we really want to study this argument we need to expand it past Georgia.

[eagleskins]

The question that needs to be asked is, whose fault is it that every single one of our sports programs are awful to average? No Socon titles in 2 years in any sport is an absolute disgrace. Now, who should be held accountable for that?

[garns 4]

The question that needs to be asked is, whose fault is it that every single one of our sports programs are awful to average? No Socon titles in 2 years in any sport is an absolute disgrace. Now, who should be held accountable for that?

Coachs, that for some reason cant "find a way"

[Wingspan]

The question that needs to be asked is, whose fault is it that every single one of our sports programs are awful to average? No Socon titles in 2 years in any sport is an absolute disgrace. Now, who should be held accountable for that?

That's a very good question and the one that concerns me much more than payouts or even which division we compete in. For the very pro 1-A crowd, that's the very question they should focus on b/c any decent study should tell us we are a long way off with how we are performing in sports right now. And don't forget about the APR problems. WE JUST ADDED GOLF!!

[gseagle]

seriously, what exactly is it that sam baker is held accountable for?

[trueeagle98]

Question:

Why is GSU getting so little?

Why aren't we scheduling other pay games?

It seems those are the current questions and people have various opinions on the answers.

[Wingspan]

seriously, what exactly is it that sam baker is held accountable for?

Obviously nothing.

[syoung1016]

Remember, the UGA game is NOT all about the money. We couldn't buy the amount of exposure in the media in the State of Georgia that game has given us, even if we do lose. That goes a long way with a high school athlete who may not get the offer from UGA or Tech, but wants to stay close to home. After all that, I do think we should get at least the same as other out of state FCS teams get when playing UGA.

[GATA ERK]

Remember, the UGA game is NOT all about the money. We couldn't buy the amount of exposure in the media in the State of Georgia that game has given us, even if we do lose. That goes a long way with a high school athlete who may not get the offer from UGA or Tech, but wants to stay close to home. After all that, I do think we should get at least the same as other out of state FCS teams get when playing UGA.

Unfortunately a guy that does not get an offer from UGA or Tech will go to a lot of other FBS schools such as Troy before they get to us.

Yes, we may get a lot of publicity from the game but since we are FCS we really do not capitalize on the publicity.....plus we do get some negative publicity that belittles the program...things like "UGA is playing a cupcake team" or "UGA is playing Ga State (call us the wrong school)" In then end all we get out of it is a paycheck unless we gave them a real tough fight and play a close game into the 4th Qtr.

[BillyBob]

Unfortunately a guy that does not get an offer from UGA or Tech will go to a lot of other FBS schools such as Troy before they get to us.

Yes, we may get a lot of publicity from the game but since we are FCS we really do not capitalize on the publicity.....plus we do get some negative publicity that belittles the program...things like "UGA is playing a cupcake team" or "UGA is playing Ga State (call us the wrong school)" In then end all we get out of it is a paycheck unless we gave them a real tough fight and play a close game into the 4th Qtr.

I find that hard to believe when you consider that the talent level in the highest FCS teams is equal to that of those in the Sun Belt.

[PonteVedraFan]

I love how Sammy actually gets something that almost everybody on here, and probably 95% of the entire fan base wants...games against the biggest in-state rival, and he gets blasted for it.

Actually, that not what I hear from fans above age 22. How many tickets were sent back to Thuga U. unsold by GSU?

[GATA ERK]

I find that hard to believe when you consider that the talent level in the highest FCS teams is equal to that of those in the Sun Belt.

The Sun-Belt consistently upsets major BCS teams....Other than Ap St over Michigan the SoCon rarely beats a FBS team.....and Ap St over the past couple of years is the best team the conference has had in 8 years when we won.

I can assure you that Samford would never be considered for the Sun-Belt....and the way the Sun Belt is improving and we are declining I am not so sure we will have the opportunity in a few years.

[Walt3412]

The Sun-Belt consistently upsets major BCS teams....Other than Ap St over Michigan the SoCon rarely beats a FBS team.....and Ap St over the past couple of years is the best team the conference has had in 8 years when we won.

I can assure you that Samford would never be considered for the Sun-Belt....and the way the Sun Belt is improving and we are declining I am not so sure we will have the opportunity in a few years.

Consistantly beats major BCS teams? That's a joke. Go cheer for a freakin Sunbelt team since they're so great.