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  1. #151

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    2011 Signing Class

    This class had only 3 three-star players. One of those 3 never made it to campus, and a second one left after his first season and came back for his final year. There was a lot of consternation over this class when it was signed, but the class had:
    Dominique Swope
    Antonio Glover
    BJ Johnson
    Garrett Frye
    Antwione Williams
    Manrey Saint-Amour
    Zach Walker

    In fact, the one player from that class I remember getting a lot of hype was Prince McJunkins (gone after the first season while the less hyped Kevin Ellison became the next guy).

    If the recruiting ratings were worth a crap we would've never competed in the Sun Belt our first season. And I know someone will say "well, the recruiting services just don't care about FCS". Sure, but do you really think they care about the G5? I don't.
    We did not even talk recruiting in the FCS the recruiting sites were in their infancy and paid no attention really to FCS teams. Also the top of the FCS is not that far from the bottom of the FBS where the Sun Belt is. Also the absolutely do care about the G5 they make a lot of money from teams with sites also a ton of G5 recruits have P5 offers we would not know it the last two years but if you check like Tulane's class there are a bunch. 24/7 must care about the FCS some as they have FCS teams ranked above G5 teams....sorta like how Yale is ranked above us...they dont even do playoffs. I guess stating that FACT is negative?
    Dirk E. Sanchez, Overyonder, GA 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    you missed JDC's point.

  2. #152

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    You guys are arguing for the sake of arguing. Both stars and player development are important. There are varying levels of player development just like there are varying levels of being a 3 star. Some players just need to learn the playbook and experience the game speed and adjust to it. Others need that plus some TLC in a weight room. Others need all of that plus a year or two of practice reps. And on and on and on. At best you can create a generalized spectrum as a broad non binding rule, correlating star count with the amount of overall player development, but in reality there isn’t and never has been a perfect correlation between stars and development. You can have a 5 star that is dumb as rocks and takes years to figure out his role in the playbook. You can have a brilliant 2 star that puts in the work needed and starts day 1. This stuff is like investing in stocks...if you do your due diligence, you can decide to play it “safe” going after blue chips like MSFT or AAPL, or you can shoot for little guys like DPW. There’s no guarantee that your investment will pay off.

  3. #153

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleNationRising View Post
    You guys are arguing for the sake of arguing. Both stars and player development are important. There are varying levels of player development just like there are varying levels of being a 3 star. Some players just need to learn the playbook and experience the game speed and adjust to it. Others need that plus some TLC in a weight room. Others need all of that plus a year or two of practice reps. And on and on and on. At best you can create a generalized spectrum as a broad non binding rule, correlating star count with the amount of overall player development, but in reality there isn’t and never has been a perfect correlation between stars and development. You can have a 5 star that is dumb as rocks and takes years to figure out his role in the playbook. You can have a brilliant 2 star that puts in the work needed and starts day 1. This stuff is like investing in stocks...if you do your due diligence, you can decide to play it “safe” going after blue chips like MSFT or AAPL, or you can shoot for little guys like DPW. There’s no guarantee that your investment will pay off.
    Obvious stuff, but saying a two star will succeed at the same rate a five star will fail is not even close to being true. There is no more solid proof than NFL teams evaluating players, they dont care what team name is on the jersey or what star rank you were out of high school yet over and over the higher ranked kids make the NFL and it is not even close. Doing well in the FCS or Sun Belt is great and all but NFL scouts are pretty good at separating the contenders vs the pretenders.


    READ
    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...ospects-talent

    I mean honestly people have done research papers on this but...I mean google, read some article and research papers by folks who are well educated and get articles published in real magazines not ESPN. Let go of the handful of guys that dominated Elon and USA.....

    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/...27002503253478

    Two-star players becoming Pro Bowlers do make for great stories, but stories are only anecdotal.
    Dirk E. Sanchez, Overyonder, GA 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    you missed JDC's point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleNationRising View Post
    You guys are arguing for the sake of arguing. Both stars and player development are important. There are varying levels of player development just like there are varying levels of being a 3 star. Some players just need to learn the playbook and experience the game speed and adjust to it. Others need that plus some TLC in a weight room. Others need all of that plus a year or two of practice reps. And on and on and on. At best you can create a generalized spectrum as a broad non binding rule, correlating star count with the amount of overall player development, but in reality there isn’t and never has been a perfect correlation between stars and development. You can have a 5 star that is dumb as rocks and takes years to figure out his role in the playbook. You can have a brilliant 2 star that puts in the work needed and starts day 1. This stuff is like investing in stocks...if you do your due diligence, you can decide to play it “safe” going after blue chips like MSFT or AAPL, or you can shoot for little guys like DPW. There’s no guarantee that your investment will pay off.
    +1

    Itís all a crap shoot and you donít know if you were right or wrong for a couple of years anyway. So if Youíre a starf&@!er or someone who believes in development doesnít really matter. Weíll sign who we can sign this year and let the chips fall where they may.

  5. #155

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleNationRising View Post
    1. This stuff is like investing in stocks...if you do your due diligence, you can decide to play it ďsafeĒ going after blue chips like MSFT or AAPL, or you can shoot for little guys like DPW. Thereís no guarantee that your investment will pay off.
    If you get all 4 and 5 star players, you are guaranteed to have a more talented team than a team with 2 and 3 star guys.

  6. Default Re: NSD #1

    Quote Originally Posted by GSU08 View Post
    If you get all 4 and 5 star players, you are guaranteed to have a more talented team than a team with 2 and 3 star guys.
    This is true but we arenít gonna be getting any 4 or 5 star players anytime soon. We can get some 3 stars and we have to rely on our coaches ability to both spot and develop talent among the 2 stars.

  7. #157

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonmoretime View Post
    +1

    It’s all a crap shoot and you don’t know if you were right or wrong for a couple of years anyway. So if You’re a starf&@!er or someone who believes in development doesn’t really matter. We’ll sign who we can sign this year and let the chips fall where they may.
    Sorry actual results say the post is crap and rankings are not a crap shoot..

    https://247sports.com/Article/Nation...for-c-50905753
    Dirk E. Sanchez, Overyonder, GA 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    you missed JDC's point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDC325 View Post
    Sorry actual results say the post is crap and rankings are not a crap shoot..

    https://247sports.com/Article/Nation...for-c-50905753
    K thanks. If Chris Hummer says it then it has to be true. Iím a believer now.

  9. #159

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonmoretime View Post
    K thanks.
    Yeah I know it can be a bummer when you are dead wrong...Also the numbers are the numbers why does it matter who they come from. So you dont like Chris how about....a college professor

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ng_and_Winning

    or two together

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...sion_FBS_Teams
    Dirk E. Sanchez, Overyonder, GA 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    you missed JDC's point.

  10. Default Re: NSD #1

    Quote Originally Posted by JDC325 View Post
    Yeah I know it can be a bummer when you are dead wrong...Also the numbers are the numbers why does it matter who they come from. So you dont like Chris how about....a college professor

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ng_and_Winning

    or two

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...sion_FBS_Teams
    Iím already convinced but post me some more links please.

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