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    Quote Originally Posted by 1peatfor7 View Post

    So tell me what's changed in Calculus the last 20 years that they'd need to release a new edition every few years?
    The understanding of how differentiation and integration are products of an understanding of the infinite and infinitesimal that stem from masculonormative epistemological mores.

    Quote Originally Posted by JDC325 View Post
    ArkSt must have some projects being donated to inflating their numbers temporarily three year as numbers are worthless for them. Last normal year was 2014 and about half their budget came from allocated funds.

    Total revenue is a misleading stat as it gets, as where it comes from matters just as much when judging stability or non dependent growth. From recruiting discussions I know we have some stats deficient folks on here so to provide context.

    NOT INCLUDING ARKST THIS YEAR GEORGIA SOUTHERN IS:
    3rd best in allocated funds % (less is better) (ULM-UL) Worst Football GSU 74%
    3rd best in ticket sales and % of revenue coming from ticket sales (App-UL) Worst Football ULM
    2nd in contributions and 2nd and in % of budget (UL) Worst Football GSU
    6th in rights and licensing 7th and in % of budget (App-UL-GSU-TXST-ULM) Worst Football Troy
    6th (tied with ARKLR) lowest in % of budget coming from student fees (UL-ULM-Troy-CCSU-USA) Worst Football GSU I believe UL and ULM are not allowed to gather but minimal student fees as they are both at 2%. So For those that are allowed to gather standard FBS fees we would be 4th.
    3rd in money coming from school (GSU-TXST) Worst Football CCSU


    UL is by far the most non dependent stable school in the conference. I would put GS, ArkSt and App 2A, B. and C with little difference in normal years.

    Our rights and licensing is the most obvious needs improvement and dependence on allocated funds (school and students) has decreased every year since 2014.

    We are trending up in all positive areas overall and trending down in all negative ones outside of school funds being allocated but down from last year.
    Thanks for compiling that. It would be interesting to look at how many hundredths of a percent athletics is subsidized per student. I might put that one together one day.
    Don't choose to be annoyed. Choose to be amused.

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  2. #22

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    LEADERS IN TICKET SALES + CONTRIBUTIONS + RIGHTS / LICENSING (ArkSt would likely be 2nd or 3rd in a normal year or normal reporting)

    UL $13,587123
    APP $10,975,429
    GS $9,529,624
    TXST $7,840,764
    GSU $6,091,246
    TROY $6,035,120
    USA $5,798,614
    ULM $5,740,254
    CCSU $5,099,615
    ARKLR $3,685,436
    UTSA $2,722,020

    From our last playoff FCS season in 2012 we have increase ticket revenue by 57%, contributions by 570%, rights and licensing by 224% all while decreasing allocated funds from 69% to 58%. This dispels the myths we would not be better off in the FBS, we did this on the backs of the students and school and or we have cheap fans compared to our peers. Also to harken back to our glorious former AD and his "SunBelch" "SunBurnt" minions that predicted nothing but doom and gloom for the "SlumBelch" all schools have moved on to at the time a better conference and or nearly doubled if not tripled non dependent revenue since 2005, widened the gap between us and any FCS conference overall and we have caught CUSA. So stay in your holes.
    Dirk E. Sanchez, Overyonder, GA 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    you missed JDC's point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    The understanding of how differentiation and integration are products of an understanding of the infinite and infinitesimal that stem from masculonormative epistemological mores.



    Thanks for compiling that. It would be interesting to look at how many hundredths of a percent athletics is subsidized per student. I might put that one together one day.
    No problem took about ten minutes in excel.
    Dirk E. Sanchez, Overyonder, GA 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    you missed JDC's point.

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    GA State is much higher up that list then I would have guessed.

    Kind of depressing that CCU (already) has a larger athletic budget then GS.

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    I would be curious as to how much ticket revenue we got from hosting the Sun Belt baseball tournament. I wouldn't think it would all that substantial compared to the total.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDC325 View Post
    ArkSt must have some projects being donated to inflating their numbers temporarily three year as numbers are worthless for them. Last normal year was 2014 and about half their budget came from allocated funds.

    Total revenue is a misleading stat as it gets, as where it comes from matters just as much when judging stability or non dependent growth. From recruiting discussions I know we have some stats deficient folks on here so to provide context.

    NOT INCLUDING ARKST THIS YEAR GEORGIA SOUTHERN IS:
    3rd best in allocated funds % (ULM-UL) Worst Football GSU 74%
    3rd best in ticket sales and % of revenue coming from ticket sales (App-UL) Worst Football ULM
    2nd in contributions and 2nd and in % of budget (UL) Worst Football GSU
    7th in rights and licensing (including ArkSt) and 6th in % of budget (not including ArkSt) ((ArkSt)-App-UL-GSU-TXST-ULM) Worst Football Troy
    6th (tied with ARKLR) lowest in % of budget coming from student fees (UL-ULM-Troy-CCSU-USA) Worst Football GSU I believe UL and ULM are not allowed to gather but minimal student fees as they are both at 2%. So For those that are allowed to gather standard FBS fees we would be 4th.
    3rd in money coming from school (GSU-TXST) Worst Football CCSU


    UL is by far the most non dependent stable school in the conference. I would put GS, ArkSt and App 2A, B. and C with little difference in normal years.

    Our rights and licensing is the most obvious needs improvement and dependence on allocated funds (school and students) has decreased every year since 2014.

    We are trending up in all positive areas overall and trending down in all negative ones outside of school funds being allocated but down from last year.
    I understand the large numbers of people that discredit our budgetary reports each year, because we budget very differently from most, but it's gotten bad enough that when we have a normal year without large donations for capital projects, people assume that we're making it up, because there's no way Little Old Arkansas State can operate with a $40 Million Athletic budget.

    What we do differently than most is that Arkansas State gets its larger donations in single payments rather than multi payments. If someone gave 5 million to a school, often times that 5 million isn't paid out all at once, but rather over a multi year period. They might give 500K a year for 10 years. It helps with Athletic book balancing, so it doesn't look like you have a wildly varying Athletic budget. Also keeps anti Athletic folks off your back. For some reason here, our biggest donors choose to give all of the money at one time, rather than over several years. We also keep donations locked away in an account exempt from FOI Laws, so they don't show up until they are needed, which usually occurs during a capital project.

    We've reported wildly varying Athletic Budgets since Moahir changed our reporting practices in 2014. For some reason, people point to that year as the baseline of what our actual budget is, but its not. The budget released this year did not include any large donations, nor any hefty capital projects. We legitimately keep an athletic budget around $40 million. Now next year? We've got over 10 plus million in donations, plus a basketball coach buyout as part of next years reports. I fully expect to report over $50 million budget next year

    Side note: Quit attacking our licensing fees. We legitimately make 1.6 million per year from Learfield in Broadcast rights. That's not made up. We don't sign with anyone unless they give us AAC level money as a school policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefsfan View Post
    I understand the large numbers of people that discredit our budgetary reports each year, because we budget very differently from most, but it's gotten bad enough that when we have a normal year without large donations for capital projects, people assume that we're making it up, because there's no way Little Old Arkansas State can operate with a $40 Million Athletic budget.

    What we do differently than most is that Arkansas State gets its larger donations in single payments rather than multi payments. If someone gave 5 million to a school, often times that 5 million isn't paid out all at once, but rather over a multi year period. They might give 500K a year for 10 years. It helps with Athletic book balancing, so it doesn't look like you have a wildly varying Athletic budget. Also keeps anti Athletic folks off your back. For some reason here, our biggest donors choose to give all of the money at one time, rather than over several years. We also keep donations locked away in an account exempt from FOI Laws, so they don't show up until they are needed, which usually occurs during a capital project.

    We've reported wildly varying Athletic Budgets since Moahir changed our reporting practices in 2014. For some reason, people point to that year as the baseline of what our actual budget is, but its not. The budget released this year did not include any large donations, nor any hefty capital projects. We legitimately keep an athletic budget around $40 million. Now next year? We've got over 10 plus million in donations, plus a basketball coach buyout as part of next years reports. I fully expect to report over $50 million budget next year

    Side note: Quit attacking our licensing fees. We legitimately make 1.6 million per year from Learfield in Broadcast rights. That's not made up. We don't sign with anyone unless they give us AAC level money as a school policy.
    You do understand why implying that Arkansas State boosters are unique to thousands of other colleges, relative to an unconventional phenomenon of primarily lump sum donations, could be perceived as a farce to other fan bases, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDC325 View Post
    LEADERS IN TICKET SALES + CONTRIBUTIONS + RIGHTS / LICENSING (ArkSt would likely be 2nd or 3rd in a normal year or normal reporting)

    UL $13,587123
    APP $10,975,429
    GS $9,529,624
    TXST $7,840,764
    GSU $6,091,246
    TROY $6,035,120
    USA $5,798,614
    ULM $5,740,254
    CCSU $5,099,615
    ARKLR $3,685,436
    UTSA $2,722,020

    From our last playoff FCS season in 2012 we have increase ticket revenue by 57%, contributions by 570%, rights and licensing by 224% all while decreasing allocated funds from 69% to 58%. This dispels the myths we would not be better off in the FBS, we did this on the backs of the students and school and or we have cheap fans compared to our peers. Also to harken back to our glorious former AD and his "SunBelch" "SunBurnt" minions that predicted nothing but doom and gloom for the "SlumBelch" all schools have moved on to at the time a better conference and or nearly doubled if not tripled non dependent revenue since 2005, widened the gap between us and any FCS conference overall and we have caught CUSA. So stay in your holes.
    There is absolutely no way Gag sold that much in tickets.

    even given the fact that actual teams come and whip their butts downtown.

    Definitely something going on. Money laundering or something.

    They wouldn’t sell that dollar amount if half their schedule was sold out to Alabama and tenn coming to whip some ghetto kitten ***. They have tens of fans. Tens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLEMAN View Post
    You do understand why implying that Arkansas State boosters are unique to thousands of other colleges, relative to an unconventional phenomenon of primarily lump sum donations, could be perceived as a farce to other fan bases, right?

    I do, and really its unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

    What irks many of us, is people discounting the work we've put in over the last decade because we report in such a way to make our revenue look higher than it is. We're not making up numbers. We just report them differently than the rest of the league. We operate with the highest budget in the league every year...that's not likely to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLEMAN View Post
    GA State is much higher up that list then I would have guessed.

    Kind of depressing that CCU (already) has a larger athletic budget then GS.
    Ummm 23M of their budget comes from the school. The size of a budget does not tell the whole story. GS only had 7M come from school funds. Their budget and GaSt's are based on allocated funds not earned.
    Dirk E. Sanchez, Overyonder, GA 2001

    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    you missed JDC's point.

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