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    Quote Originally Posted by garns 4 View Post
    What were they doing exploding back?, to get a better view of Bass's kickoff's going into the Bishop Building seats?
    Yeah, I thought the same thing. They must not have watched too many of his previous KO's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ Eagle View Post
    If you only do them when they are expecting them, of course they are not going to be successful all the time. But you have to at least try when given the opportunity, and you have to keep them on their toes.
    I get that there are certain times to give it a shot.

    This was definitely not one. No excuse can be made for trying one right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
    I get that there are certain times to give it a shot.

    This was definitely not one. No excuse can be made for trying one right there.
    He literally just provided an “excuse”... CL thought he saw an opportunity to recover the football based on something he saw on the first kickoff.

    I mean, if not try it against an FCS program, then when? Against our B10 opponent? A conference game?

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    Officials were all over us all night, and sure missed some obvious stuff Maine was getting away with. (As usual.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
    I get that there are certain times to give it a shot.

    This was definitely not one. No excuse can be made for trying one right there.
    Just because you don't agree with it, does not negate the reason for doing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLEMAN View Post
    He literally just provided an “excuse”... CL thought he saw an opportunity to recover the football based on something he saw on the first kickoff.

    I mean, if not try it against an FCS program then when? Against our B10 opponent? A conference game?
    Here's another "excuse".... CCL said in the coach's show last night that Bass didn't kick it where he wanted him to. That gives us a teaching moment and a way to correct it in a less meaningful game and gives us the opportunity to work at it at full speed to see what necessary corrections are needed for when it may count a little more. But who are we to disagree with JC because "there is no excuse" for doing it then, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJ Eagle View Post
    Here's another "excuse".... CCL said in the coach's show last night that Bass didn't kick it where he wanted him to. That gives us a teaching moment and a way to correct it in a less meaningful game and gives us the opportunity to work at it at full speed to see what necessary corrections are needed for when it may count a little more. But who are we to disagree with JC because "there is no excuse" for doing it then, right?
    It was a straight poor decision.

    If we has other successful onside kicks to point out, that would be a different matter.

    When's the last time one actually worked for us? Ten years ago? Twenty?

    (And Sav state doesn't count.)

    There's no point in risking momentum in a play with a single digit probability of success. If that.

    This was just a really horrid playcall. No two ways about that.

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    I agree. It was a dumb call.

    Just because he had "reasons" doesn't make it a good decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
    It was a straight poor decision.

    If we has other successful onside kicks to point out, that would be a different matter.

    When's the last time one actually worked for us? Ten years ago? Twenty?

    (And Sav state doesn't count.)

    There's no point in risking momentum in a play with a single digit probability of success. If that.

    This was just a really horrid playcall. No two ways about that.
    From Wikipedia on the topic: Between 2001 and 2010, surprise onside kicks were successful 60% of the time, while expected onside kicks were successful less than 20% of the time.[5] Another study of just the 2005 and 2006 seasons also found similar disparities depending on whether the defense expects an onside kick.[6] Accordingly, some analysts have suggested that the surprise onside kick is underutilized.[7]

    I'm not going to go back to look at every box score to see how many we attempted and how many were successful. It's not many in either case. Maybe Klak already has that info on his GATAdb? Hindsight being 20/20, it was a failed attempt so it makes it ultimately a bad decision. CCL even said as much on the show. But it would amazingly be a great decision if it had worked and if we had scored. In the grand scheme of things it didn't hurt us and gave us something that we can work on and get better at. It's a teaching moment and something that, when we actually need it down the road, we will have some game speed experience on and it will not be the 1st time we have attempted it in a game.
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    A few years ago Thomson played Liberty Co. LC was kicking off first. They kicked and on side kick, got it. Drove for a TD. Onside same kick again same result. LC was leading 14-0 before a Thomson player even touched the ball.
    There is a HS coach in OK that doesn't kickoff, punt, or do extra points. The school has won several championships while that coach has been there.
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