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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Here is what little I know from watching GS football since it started. When we were the most successful running the spread or triple option offense it was because we had a dual threat guy running it, which gave our coaches the ability to immediately counter what other teams were doing on defense. In those days opposing defenses stacked the box against us at their own peril. We do not have that type guy on our roster today. We have also lost the speed advantage we once had. From my perspective it is about improving the talent level at a few spots. Also, we are playing defense about like we always have. Plenty of times we had simply had to out score teams and win 42-35 etc. Our coaches are currently limited in what they can do. However, it is their responsiblity to upgrade the talent level which I think they are in the process of doing. The key will always be at the QB position. Solve that and every other position will get much better.
    Great points.

    I do wonder how many really good option QBs are left out there these days.

    Shai is very good at times, but I doubt he will ever have the same sort of thing going on that Ellison did. I don't think anyone will..... If not for TS screwing it all up, I think we would have retired Ellison's jersey as well.... That guy had a freky ESP thing happening. He really appeared to know what a defense was going to try before they even got set.

    At some point, we really have to consider the probability that we may only have a REALLY great option QB once a decade (and it may tae a couple seasons for him to really develop.) How do we recruit and maintain momentum through the down years?

    We are GS. We expect to have a winning season every year. We expect to take it to P5s and compete for a conference championship every year.

    I really am conflicted about whether option will be the way to do that. I'm afraid we are going to be very disappointed if we can't find a string of really good QBs and RBs and keep that momentum going.

    IDK the answer. I just want to see us be where we expect to be. I'm tired of down seasons.

    What worked in the 80s is probably different than what will work going forward. It was a stroke of genius for Erk to set things up the way he did..... But does anyone think he would be doing the same thing now? I think he would want to do what is necessary to win. I think we all do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benched View Post
    If anybody thinks we can start recruiting players like LSU, they know nothing about college football...it ain't happening folks....do we need to be better and be able to throw better...yes, we need to get better everywhere, but our O did not give up all those pts....some type of option offense is our best chance we have of winning....if you don't understand that ...I'm wasting my time...every great success we have ever had, it's because of coaching and the option(look at our record when we didn't run the option)....and stop whining, our season is not over...two wins is all we need, and a better pass D...or another tropical storm...GO EAGLES....
    Don't have to recruit LSU type guys, just better guys than Sun Belt teams. That's where I would start and it will always start at the QB spot. See LSU QB situation. Doesn't matter what offense is run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
    It was awesome at the FCS level. (but we played against scrub defenses most of the time.)

    I love to see it when it works. It's the most beautiful thing in any sport-when it works.

    I'm not convinced it will work consistently in the FBS. I want to see us be successful long term, not just have a good season or two followed by 3 or 4 down years.

    Army is showing that it ain't good this year. Even freaking Gag beat them. I really think GT was the ceiling for option/flex/whatever at the FBS level. Few really good years, and then a long sad decline. (At the FBS, there are defensive consultants who work just to prepare for our type of offense.... And teams can afford to hire them and prepare really well. It's all about preparation.... And now that FBS takes it seriously, they can and will prepare.)

    I'm very conflicted on this issue. On the one hand, option has been good for some outstanding stretches (especially in our early years.) But on the other hand, I remain unconvinced that it has the continuity to keep us where we need to be at this level. Just look at our time in the Sun belt. We were absolutely killing it at first, but once these teams learn to prepare right, we are struggling.

    I am particularly concerned about the way LSU/Minn and Troy are choosing to play us. They don't seem to really be scheming or using much strategy, they are just overloading and collapsing our line all the time. They are bringing the freaking house every play, and Werts is getting sacked too much. Only a matter of time before he is seriously hurt. How many sacks yesterday? Nine.... That's a real bad day.

    I really don't think we should be married to the option anymore. It seems to have a lot of downside at the FBS level. Especially when teams see how successful defenses are when they set up camp in our backfield.
    Meanwhile, Navy is ranked #24 now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Don't have to recruit LSU type guys, just better guys than Sun Belt teams. That's where I would start and it will always start at the QB spot. See LSU QB situation. Doesn't matter what offense is run.
    And the quarterback is supposed to be the distributor of the ball. He is supposed to be able to deliver the ball to players that can make offensive play calls work. If we're gonna continue to line up in a shotgun or pistol formation we must have a quarterback who's strength is throwing the ball. He must be able to deliver the ball on time to the right man and he must be able to "throw his receivers open". It's the receiver's job to get to the ball and catch it, but the quarterback must lead him to a "safe" spot to catch it. I have seen no indication we have a quarterback with the skill set necessary to be able to successfully distribute the ball in a pass based offense.

    When you line up in a shotgun or pistol based scheme you must be able to execute a successful pass game. In the shotgun or pistol based scheme you throw successfully to open up the run. If your offensive scheme starts out under center you run successfully to open up the pass. You hit the los quickly enough from under center to hurt the D. You can't do that out of a scheme based on the shotgun or pistol set up.

    We've been trying to do things on offense backwards ever since we stopped lining up under center to run our offense. No wonder we've been so inconsistent. As has been said, even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIEAGLE View Post
    And the quarterback is supposed to be the distributor of the ball. He is supposed to be able to deliver the ball to players that can make offensive play calls work. If we're gonna continue to line up in a shotgun or pistol formation we must have a quarterback who's strength is throwing the ball. He must be able to deliver the ball on time to the right man and he must be able to "throw his receivers open". It's the receiver's job to get to the ball and catch it, but the quarterback must lead him to a "safe" spot to catch it. I have seen no indication we have a quarterback with the skill set necessary to be able to successfully distribute the ball in a pass based offense.

    When you line up in a shotgun or pistol based scheme you must be able to execute a successful pass game. In the shotgun or pistol based scheme you throw successfully to open up the run. If your offensive scheme starts out under center you run successfully to open up the pass. You hit the los quickly enough from under center to hurt the D. You can't do that out of a scheme based on the shotgun or pistol set up.

    We've been trying to do things on offense backwards ever since we stopped lining up under center to run our offense. No wonder we've been so inconsistent. As has been said, even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
    Shotgun does not equal pass based offense. There are all kinds of teams that are power run teams out of shotgun formations that "fire out", "hit people in the mouth", and all of those other cliches. In fact, ULL ran all over us with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richrappa View Post
    This is controversial for Southern but facts are are facts. Offense Rule college football. LSU proves it out tonight regardless of they play a down in the playoff they more than likely put Alabama out for the first time EVER.
    Time to modernize Southern NOW.
    Navy is ranked #24 or # 25, depending on which poll you look at, and is 7-1. Navy plays in the AAC which most consider the best G5 conference.

    Airforce is 7-2 and ranked # 26 and play in the Mountain West.

    NOW NAVY AND AIR FORCE ARE G5 SPREAD OPTION TEAMS MOVING INTO THE TOP 25!

    UCF is ranked behind Navy.

    When Fritz was at GSU, running the Shotgun option, he did very well at GSU the first 2 years. He lead GSU winning its first FBS bow lgame.

    Now most of you know that I am not a fan of the Shotgun Option. If Fritz was still here and could do as well or better than his first 2 years I might change my mind.



    **(1) Yes I know that Tracy Ham had the talent to run the T-Option to perfection & the ability to scan the field for open receivers which is uncommon for a strictly T-Option QB. Their are plenty of high schools in the U.S. that still run the T-Option in different formations and our recruiting staff should be looking hard at those option QBs

    **(2) The line we had in 1985 & 86 were basely trained in cut blocking and yet look at the tremendous way they blocked for Ham when he was passing.

    **(3) Please look at the wide receivers, slots & and even the full back catching passes. Everyone complains that a Triple Option teams receivers cant catch and yet these option wide receivers and backs did. They were not chosen for their primary job as a receiver and yet they were GREAT ATHLETES with good hands that understood their routes.

    I'm not saying that the Spread Option is perfect, but if you can pass the ball as need be and make between 110-150 yards a game the Triple Option is completely opened up for the run attack.

    If you look at the 1985 NC, shown below, You see a Spread Option team, that had a passing game incorporated to compliment the Triple Option attack.


    ONCE AGAIN I POST the 1985 NC as an example of a QB with athletic backs and receivers. START AT 3:30 min.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUhrp2Gjnv4
    GSU Spread Option FOOTBALL - out weighed, but never outplayed
    The T-Option is the powerful ground game ever devised & the FLEX is the best way to run it.
    If I want your opinion & don't like it I'll tell you what it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIEAGLE View Post
    And the quarterback is supposed to be the distributor of the ball. He is supposed to be able to deliver the ball to players that can make offensive play calls work. If we're gonna continue to line up in a shotgun or pistol formation we must have a quarterback who's strength is throwing the ball. He must be able to deliver the ball on time to the right man and he must be able to "throw his receivers open". It's the receiver's job to get to the ball and catch it, but the quarterback must lead him to a "safe" spot to catch it. I have seen no indication we have a quarterback with the skill set necessary to be able to successfully distribute the ball in a pass based offense.

    When you line up in a shotgun or pistol based scheme you must be able to execute a successful pass game. In the shotgun or pistol based scheme you throw successfully to open up the run. If your offensive scheme starts out under center you run successfully to open up the pass. You hit the los quickly enough from under center to hurt the D. You can't do that out of a scheme based on the shotgun or pistol set up.

    We've been trying to do things on offense backwards ever since we stopped lining up under center to run our offense. No wonder we've been so inconsistent. As has been said, even a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then.
    No.


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    The only thought I’ll add to this thread is that you shouldn’t come on here and complain about not being in fcs, and not running the flex, or not being a real option team, or only having bowl games to play in instead of a national championship, or not being able to participate in a playoff system, or that we aren’t gaining new fans, or that we’ve ticked off some longtime fans only after a tough loss. Those opinions aren’t mine, but I’m more than happy for you to have them..... it just seems petty that they pop up after a tough loss. If you’re gonna post that, stay consistent and post that mess after we knock off appy or after we win bowl games or after we win our next conference championship.

    Some of y’all post those opinions regularly, and I can respect that. I just can’t stand seeing folks ONLY bring this up in the hard times.

    Hail southern
    A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.
    Proverbs 29:11

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    Quote Originally Posted by wesley_4024 View Post
    On the contrary, most fans despise watching option offenses. Do you think it's a coincidence how so many penalties are geared against the defense, specifically pass defenses? It's not. That was done because people like to see passes. Not watching a dive on 3rd and 9. So, more likely, if the offense was changed and Georgia southern actually started to win doing it, the stands would likely begin to fill up more. The option is dead. But you're probably right, we're probably smarter than the other 99% of football teams in the FBS
    ....and targeting penalties were created because fans just didn’t like it.

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    I’ve said this before I’ll say it again the thing that’s an inherent disadvantage with this offense is getting to the edge. We ran load option a few times yesterday and Werts ran 15 yards laterally before gaining 2 yards. The angles make it tougher to get up field. I think there was a play where King took a pitch and ran out real estate because again the lateral angle to get to the edge was so extreme.
    Go Eagles!!

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