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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle02120624 View Post
    Vertical or horizontal? I've been trying to figure out since Debesse got here if he's telling Shai to attack the end/olb downhill and make the read or if he's telling him something different. My understanding is in most option offenses thats the primary read and determines whether he keeps or pitches. With ruse I felt like Ellison was doing just that. Running DOWNHILL. I agree with you on the quick passes like slants and 5-7 yd crossing routes. I will say in all the New Mexico games i watched while he was there, i can't recall seeing a quick slant or a shallow crossing route.
    Ellison had a LOT better blocking.

    Hell, Ellison got in there and three blocks a lot too.

    Shai is probably a better all-around QB, but good Lord, this sad blocking is killing him.

    I don’t recall seeing Ellison have to eat it out on the edge because two defenders were on him and three on the pitch guy. (That one awesome run Kennedy got away with at App was a great example. He somehow got through it, but there were a total of 7 guys who almost got a hand on him.) We have seen some version of that breakdown sooooo many times. No way should that many guys have been within ten feet of Kennedy.

    I just have the feeling these guys aren’t on the same page about who they are supposed to be blocking. Just so many defenders getting to/around that edge. Looks like a coaching problem to me.

    Y’all watch a clip or two of 2014/2015. Blocking was so coordinated, fast, and devastating. We definitely ain’t seeing nothing like that now. (That’s not just on the O line.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLEMAN View Post
    Several times this year we have had to waste a time-out after coming out of a break, which is not a ideal for us because we like to let the play clock run down to single-digits in clutch situations on offensive and most of our players are still looking to our sideline seconds before the ball is snapped on defense. That’s all on coaching.
    I can't say you're wrong on either. The timeouts after breaks happens alot because of not hearing the ready for play whistle. I agree with you on the defense. Had a 15 minute conversation about that today. I'm not sure why we don't run our base defense when teams go uptempo. I would much rather drop 7 or 8 and keep the play in front of us than getting beat over the top because we aren't ready. IMO though both of those are easy fixes. The o-line issue isn't a easy fix. It's going to take time. Everyone on here who wants to change the scheme, we've essentially had 4 different schemes 2015 until now. We would be going on scheme 5 if we were to change it for 2020. NO TEAM IN THE COUNTRY WILL WIN WITH THAT KIND OF TURNOVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcountry View Post
    Ellison had a LOT better blocking.

    Hell, Ellison got in there and three blocks a lot too.

    Shai is probably a better all-around QB, but good Lord, this sad blocking is killing him.

    I don’t recall seeing Ellison have to eat it out on the edge because two defenders were on him and three on the pitch guy. (That one awesome run Kennedy got away with at App was a great example. He somehow got through it, but there were a total of 7 guys who almost got a hand on him.) We have seen some version of that breakdown sooooo many times. No way should that many guys have been within ten feet of Kennedy.

    I just have the feeling these guys aren’t on the same page about who they are supposed to be blocking. Just so many defenders getting to/around that edge. Looks like a coaching problem to me.

    Y’all watch a clip or two of 2014/2015. Blocking was so coordinated, fast, and devastating. We definitely ain’t seeing nothing like that now. (That’s not just on the O line.)
    People on here can believe what they want but the stats prove it. Those guys that played on the O-line in 14 and 15 were recruited to play in the flex. They were quick and knew how to run block. In 14, all 5 starters saw significant time on the line in the flex with monken. If i remember correctly, we only had two returning starters or players for the 15 and we saw a decline. 2016, would've been the last of the flex offensive linemen and i think Kwon was the only one left and he started. Even got a shot with the NFL.

    No I'm not advocating for the flexbone but i do want linemen that are their size.
    2014 5 flex o-line ranging 270-295lbs 7.12ypc
    2015 3 flex o-line 2 transfers 300.2lbs avg
    6.47ypc
    2016 1 flex o-linemen
    4.44 ypc
    2017 0 flex o-linemen
    4.12ypc
    OL was bigger and slower in 2016 and 2017. 2018 back to the 285 range

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    Quote Originally Posted by half-n-half View Post
    Ah gotcha. The answer is no offense is going to look good with a struggling OL. But we do nothing to help them out with the way we operate on offense strategically or with calling plays to try and stretch the defense out. What offense could we run? I don’t know. What plays? Well WR screens and quick passes don’t require great OL blocking. Plays like Jet Sweep usually don’t either. But we don’t run these plays. And what we do getting the ball out wide just seems like it develops so slow to me. But from reading everything Inhave it sounds like that is by DeBeese design. The outside option plays spend a lot more time going vertical on his offense vs Ruse offense.
    "But we do nothing to help them out with the way we operate on offense strategically or with calling plays to try and stretch the defense out. What offense could we run?'

    Dom't say WE. The fans have nothing go with the O line except Pike & KJ!
    GSU Spread Option FOOTBALL - out weighed, but never outplayed
    The T-Option is the powerful ground game ever devised & the FLEX is the best way to run it.
    If I want your opinion & don't like it I'll tell you what it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimojoe View Post
    lol. Not hearing the ready for play whistle. The hell?
    You know if you watch close enough the whistle is blown after the break signifying ready for play and the game clock is running. I've seen CCL at twice question the official about when the game clock was started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle02120624 View Post
    People on here can believe what they want but the stats prove it. Those guys that played on the O-line in 14 and 15 were recruited to play in the flex. They were quick and knew how to run block. In 14, all 5 starters saw significant time on the line in the flex with monken. If i remember correctly, we only had two returning starters or players for the 15 and we saw a decline. 2016, would've been the last of the flex offensive linemen and i think Kwon was the only one left and he started. Even got a shot with the NFL.

    No I'm not advocating for the flexbone but i do want linemen that are their size.
    2014 5 flex o-line ranging 270-295lbs 7.12ypc
    2015 3 flex o-line 2 transfers 300.2lbs avg
    6.47ypc
    2016 1 flex o-linemen
    4.44 ypc
    2017 0 flex o-linemen
    4.12ypc
    OL was bigger and slower in 2016 and 2017. 2018 back to the 285 range
    My God man, say what you are speaking of cant be true!
    GSU Spread Option FOOTBALL - out weighed, but never outplayed
    The T-Option is the powerful ground game ever devised & the FLEX is the best way to run it.
    If I want your opinion & don't like it I'll tell you what it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    For perspective (seconds of possession per play)
    Georgia Southern: 31.2
    Army: 30.3
    Air Force: 29.4
    Army: 29.4

    Basically small difference between us and Navy and Air Force no meaningful difference between us and Army, and that's with Army having basically the same percentage of passing plays and more incomplete passes.
    The longer people keep mentioning us in the same breath as the academies, the longer it will take us to reach Georgia Southern's potential. Our upside is far greater.
    Poster formerly known as gudp1

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSCBBA1987 View Post
    The longer people keep mentioning us in the same breath as the academies, the longer it will take us to reach Georgia Southern's potential. Our upside is far greater.
    Agreed.

    But we have a serious momentum problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSCBBA1987 View Post
    The longer people keep mentioning us in the same breath as the academies, the longer it will take us to reach Georgia Southern's potential. Our upside is far greater.
    I don't understand what it is you're saying here. Even though option coaches generally go at a slower pace, there's some particular reason we should be able to move faster while the service academies don't?
    "Follow the trendlines, not the headlines." -Steven Pinker (?)

    Regarding football Scheduling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob View Post
    I don't understand what it is you're saying here. Even though option coaches generally go at a slower pace, there's some particular reason we should be able to move faster while the service academies don't?
    Half the comparisons on this board have to do with an academy. We do not have to recruit the same way. We do not have to run our FB program the same way. We do not have to schedule the same way. We need to be looking toward an access bowl type of program rather than an academy type program.
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