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    Our offense went 3 and out on our first offensive possession 9 times this season, with the other 4 drives resulting in only 3 field goals.

    This whole "feeling out their defense" thing is utter horse crap. Why would any defense show their hand when we don't show anything on our first series?

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    Coaches need to be accountable. No excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSU08 View Post
    Our offense went 3 and out on our first offensive possession 9 times this season, with the other 4 drives resulting in only 3 field goals.

    This whole "feeling out their defense" thing is utter horse crap. Why would any defense show their hand when we don't show anything on our first series?
    IIRC, one or two of those 4 games wasn’t a 3 and out because of penalties by the defense extending the drive. This seriously is a problem.

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    because I'm a stat junkie, here are some more stats

    under CBD, here are some stats:

    3 and out on first drive 15-26 58%
    TD-FG on first drive 0-5-26
    Total 3 and outs 96-294 33%


    we have only scored 5 field goals to start the game in 26 total games. We are literally giving away our first possession in two thirds of our games.
    We go 3 and out every 1 in every 3 possessions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSU08 View Post
    because I'm a stat junkie, here are some more stats

    under CBD, here are some stats:

    3 and out on first drive 15-26 58%
    TD-FG on first drive 0-5-26
    Total 3 and outs 96-294 33%


    we have only scored 5 field goals to start the game in 26 total games. We are literally giving away our first possession in two thirds of our games.
    We go 3 and out every 1 in every 3 possessions.
    As someone mentioned above, the defense committed penalties on several of those drives-to extend them for us. Otherwise, our failed drive % would probably be over 75%.

    "Feeling out" is of no value whatsoever when the other team knows you will do it. DeBeese has done it literally every game I have ever seen him coach, and other coaches see it too. Just throw some misleading formations at him, and once he bites, he will hand you an ineffective 2nd and 3rd drive just for good measure. The fact that DeBeese still somehow thinks this is an effective tactic is one reason I dislike him.

    The other reason these 3 and outs are so bad is they kill momentum. Our crowd get loud and fired up every time, and “poof" there goes the momentum..... We need momentum and we need to maintain it. Why give that away at the first drive? Every single game?

    We can do better. I'm just not sure who we could snag this time of year.

    If we actually started strong and maintained momentum vs wasting the first drive of every game, we would have at least two more wins-including a nice new bowl ring.

    DeBeese only gets aggressive when he absolutely must. Only late in a game when it is the only chance. If he started out like that, we would do much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EAGLEMAN View Post
    IIRC, one or two of those 4 games wasn’t a 3 and out because of penalties by the defense extending the drive. This seriously is a problem.
    this season, the games that weren't 3 and out were not extended by penalties... at least not on the first possession of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSU08 View Post
    because I'm a stat junkie, here are some more stats

    under CBD, here are some stats:

    3 and out on first drive 15-26 58%
    TD-FG on first drive 0-5-26
    Total 3 and outs 96-294 33%


    we have only scored 5 field goals to start the game in 26 total games. We are literally giving away our first possession in two thirds of our games.
    We go 3 and out every 1 in every 3 possessions.
    That’s unacceptable. I crunched the numbers earlier this season, but I’m not gonna do that again.

    In 2016, UNM scored TDs on something like seven first possessions, and almost all of them were long runs.
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    3 and outs get you beat. And it did again.

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    Weve never thrown a pass on the 2nd play of our first series under debesse. Inside zone run 75% of the time on the 1st play of the first series.

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    for comparison, in 2014 and 2015

    We went 3 and out (6) times in 25 games on the first offensive series. 23% rate.


    In those two years, on the first drive of the game we scored 10 TD's and had 4 FG's.

    We scored points on over half of our opening drives.

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